This Is Something I Wondered For Awhile. Do You Think Taylor Would Have Taken Harry Back Pre-joe If He

This is something I wondered for awhile. Do you think taylor would have taken harry back pre-joe if he fought hard enough? In all of 1989 he is the one who makes the move but she takes him back almost immediately no matter how many times she says no. This is present in HYGTG("I dont want you to go) and IWYW(that entire song). She also implies he knows how to get under her skin("you always knew how to push my buttons") and it is later proved in style when she chooses him over her rational self(" I should just tell you to leave cuz I know exactly where it leads but I watch us go round and round each time"). In question Taylor asks whether he wishes he put up more of a fight(a similar sentiment "if you wanted me you really should have showed" is in 'the 1' but that still feels like a speculation). In HS1 he explicitly says he wants her to apologise and therefore he wasn't making any moves this time( I also saw someone saying him constantly apologising probably made him powerless). I know he wrote songs but that isn't as same as fighting for them. We also know she was putting up with CH and really wanted to leave him. Plus considering how he was still threatened by H I think even some part of him probably suspected it. So do you think they had any shot pre joe if h fought?

this is really impossible to gauge without feeling like projection because we don't know what taylor's life would've looked like had joe not been there, and personally i think he really was meant to be there for her at that precise moment in time, when everything was falling apart, when she was in a such a fragile and dark place. some people don't like to hear this, but she clearly believes he saved her life. she's expressed that in lyrics repeatedly at this point - it doesn't diminish her strength or what she did for herself to recover and forge a path ahead, but the fact that she didn't have to do that alone, or bear everything alone, is monumental, and her life has completely changed, shifted, and blossomed around that. none of that would've been possible with harry, and it has nothing to do with who harry is as a person, and everything to do with both of their careers and their high pressure positions. he couldn't have grounded her and given her the sense of stability and normalcy that joe did. it puts us into a bit of an AU what-if, because there was overlap with ch, and because we'd have to presume things like snakegate didn't happen (which! i wish it hadn't for every possible reason). if he'd been willing to fight at a time when she was desperately trying to find her way OUT from how bad things got with ch, she might've been tempted to grab hold of him as a lifeline (which would've been understandable), but i worry it still would've been a getaway car situation where they both got extremely hurt because she was not in a good place, and harry at that point wouldn't have been equipped to give her the support she needed. and you're right that writing songs isn't the same as fighting for someone or reaching out, it's an artistic catharsis, but not a direct one - which is why he called it unspoken dialogue, because it was expressed, but not between them, rather through their music. i'm not sure i'd necessarily call the songs or the apologies powerless, but there is a causal distance. i do think they had a real connection and love for one another, and some unique understandings of each other because of their fame at young ages, their fast rises, and their connection to their music/songwriting too, there's a certain symmetry between them. actually this makes me think of something that was in daisy jones: "it's easy to confuse a soulmate with a mirror." they shared such potent mirrors with one another. in a different world, maybe that could've become a twin flame, but that's not how it was supposed to play out for them. i truly don't know if there was a chance for them in there at any point, if anything in their lives could've been less hectic. if they had reunited, the crash down might've been worse the next time - and having already experienced the paradise, the colors, and the pain of the burning flames, it probably would've made them cautious to reignite it, so they healed and moved forward. the one thing i do hope is that they have some measure of a friendship (and from their very warm interactions, i don't think it's far-fetched to believe they do), and i'd rather them find their way to that than have been caught in an acrimonious split. taylor found the person whose hand she was meant to hold (and i hope someday harry does too!).

Taylor Swift’s 1989 - Who are the songs about?

I’ve seen some debate about this matter so I’m posting some of the things I’ve noticed from Taylor’s interviews / Listening Sessions just to clarify this matter. Reposting from my old post with some added quotes.

GLAMOUR UK, NOV 2013 INTERVIEW

Interviewer: So “Harry Styles: The Truth” album is on its way? Taylor: “Well, an album is supposed to be a chapter in a musician’s life…And sometimes you have to wait for the book to be written.”

1. Blank Space:

“I was on a boat once and I came up with the line ‘so its going to be forever, or its going to go down in flames’ and I didn’t use it for about a year until I was writing Blank Space and I was like ‘OH!” - She was talking about that time she broke up with Harry on a cruise in British Virgin Islands.

2. Wish You Would:

“There’s “I Wish You Would,” about an ex who bought a house two blocks from hers (whom she implies was Styles)” - Rolling Stones interview, 2014.

“Okay so this is an idea called “I Wish You Would”. It’s kind of about this guy who’s like, he’s driving down the street at the middle of the night and he passes his ex-girlfriend’s house and it’s like, he thinks she hate him, but she’s still in love with him, very dramatic. This track is sick, hope you like this.” - Taylor’s voice memo in the 1989 Deluxe album

“oh, some extra info on IWYW. cant remember if ive already shared this, if i have im sorry, if i havent then here. taylor wrote that after a couple of months after her and harry broke up, and they decided to become friends again, and she said this was the first time she had become friends with an ex to the point where they were comfortable enough to talk about why the relationship didnt work out. and he said how, after they broke up, he bought a house literally one road adjacent to hers. and every day he would drive home, and accidentally turn into her street, and told her how he just wanted to stop at her house and see her, but he never did. and she said this song is about while he was in the car making the decision to get out the car and see her, she was sitting in her bedroom, wishing he would make the move and go back to her and just pitch up at her house. she compared it to a classic movie where both parties want the same thing but neither has the guts to say anything. and that’s why the song has the lyrics of “driving straight ahead”, opposed to taking the left turn to see her.“ - Taylor’s 1989 listening party

Harry bought an LA mansion in March 2014, which is near Taylor’s house (about 7 minutes away). However, he was already staying in LA in 2013 with Jeff Azoff.

Taylor once said this about Style, a song she definitely wrote about Harry: “I talk about in another song on the record a crooked love, which is kind of like never quite synced up right.”

The other song that she meant was ‘I Wish You Would’ in which one part of the lyrics of the song says: “We’re a crooked love in a straight line down.”

Therefore both ‘Style’ and ‘I Wish You Would’ are about the same person, which is about Harry Styles.

Harry has also referenced IWYW lyrics in his song ‘Perfect’, written about Taylor:

“And if you like midnight driving with the windows down” to Taylor’s “Windows down, you pass my street, the memories start”.

3. All You Have to Do Was Stay:

She tweeted ‘Back In the studio’ days after she broke up with Harry. Taylor then later confirmed on tumblr that she wrote ‘All You Had To Do Was Stay’ at that studio session.

4. How You Get The Girl:

It is hinted that she wrote it when she was still with Harry.

“about how a guy broke up with his girlfriend because he is afraid of how in love he is and he wants to experience the world and date around but then he realizes what he lost and came back for it six months too late; also she said her friends’ boyfriends come and ask her from help when they do this kind of thing, and she says to follow the steps of this song” - Taylor’s 1989 secret sessions, hints at Harry.

“’How You Get The Girl’ is a song about how, you know, when we’re young, which most of my friends and most of my peers are, a lot of the time you’ll take for granted a really good relationship and let go of it and go out into the world and then realise you want it back, and this song is kind of an instruction manual for a guy who has broken up with his girlfriend and let six months go by and the lengths he’ll need to go to to get her back, and it’s not gonna be as simple as just sending a text message. It’s like, ‘S’up?’ ‘Miss you.’ That’s not gonna work (laughs). You need to do all the things in this song.” - GLAM interview, 2015, hints at Harry

5. This Love:

This song is the oldest song on the track, and the linear notes described the song with the words “Timing is a funny thing”.

Harry wrote a song about Taylor called ‘I Love You’ around the same time, where he also wrote “Maybe if I got my timing right, I wouldn’t end up alone”. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

“this is the oldest song on the record and is co-produced I believe with Nathan Chapman, and is about how she was kinda with someone who wasn’t ready so they split up but they ended up back together” - Taylor’s 1989 secret sessions, hints at Harry.

“’This Love’ is a song that I wrote fairly early on in this process, and it was the first time I started experimenting with different vocal recording styles. In this case I wanted it to sound kind of haunting, and so I sang this song differently than I’ve sung most of my other songs. I recorded it differently. You have multiple vocals going throughout the entire song. It’s about kind an experience I had where if you truly care about someone and you know they’re not ready to be in a relationship you will let them go, and it sucks to be the one has to let something go and cut someone loose when you don’t want to, but I think you have to be selfless in relationships when you know that it’s not the right time, and if you make that decision and that person is supposed to be in your life they’ll come back, and this was the way that I felt when that came back around.” - GLAM magazine, 2015. This is the only song she wrote alone and it also hints at Harry

6. Clean:

“Shake It Off” and “Clean” were the last two things we wrote for the record, so it shows you where I ended up mentally. “Clean” I wrote as I was walking out of Liberty in London. Someone I used to date—it hit me that I’d been in the same city as him for two weeks and I hadn’t thought about it. When it did hit me, it was like, Oh, I hope he’s doing well.” - Taylor in Elle magazine interview, 2015

“co-written with Imogen Heap (written when she was in London for the Red Tour and she went to her house which is two hours outside of London and is a single castle turret in the middle of this town with lots of horses and small town) and anyways it is about when she was in London and realized her ex was also there but she didn’t feel the usual sense of uneasiness and instead she felt fine and this is what this song is about” - Taylor’s 1989 secret sessions.

Harry is British, he lives in London.

Harry has also referenced ‘Clean’ lyrics in ‘Olivia’, a song he wrote about Taylor:

“This isn’t the stain of a red wine, I’m bleeding love” to Taylor’s “You’re all over me like a wine-stained dress I can’t wear anymore”

“The summertime and the butterflies all belong to your creation” to Taylor’s “When the flowers that we’d grown together died of thirst, when the butterflies turned to dust that covered my whole room.”

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