The Thing About Haylor Is I Dont Want Them Together I Dont Think They Were The Pinnacle Of A Perfect

There’s this one color that defines a lot of the emotions that I’ve been writing about lately, really great emotions like frustration, anger, jealousy, falling in love, falling out of love, heartbreak, all that good stuff. and you know I read about that stuff so much that I even named an entire album after it and I even went so far as to name an entire WORLD TOUR after it, because ladies and gentleman boys and girls colors that define the emotions that shape up and teach us things, I think there’s one color that represents the most important ones, and that color is RED

Idk if anyone’s brought this up yet but I am bowled over by

“You search the world for something else to make you feel like what we had” -> “you search in every models bed for something greater”

-> “does it feel like everything’s just like second-best after that meteor strike? and what’s that, that i heard, that you’re still with her, that’s nice, i’m sure that’s what’s suitable….”

What do you think is the actual deal between Harry and Taylor? Because they seem to be each other's muses- and with the lyrical back and forth that's been going on, EVEN AFTER A DECADE- it can't be nothing. They give off major soulmates vibes (musical-wise) and even relationship-wise (although they could also be star-crossed lovers) with such shitty timing everytime 😂 i've supported joe and taylor for years, but I've got this inkling in my mind like someway and somehow, H and T might still find their way back to each other. Joe just seems meh :/ tbh.

i almost feel like i shouldn't answer this because it's a bit loaded, but it's 3:30 am so why not 😅💕

i'm going to first defer to my friend @cowboylikedean who said:

"they can be soulmates, but not romantically. Consider: their whole relationship has been leading to a friendship which was always destined, but needed a contextual foundation that only an ill defined on again off again/only communicating through sex then song could create. Consider that. Joe is Taylor's forever person. doesn't mean Harry has to be nobody."

we don't know if they've forged a friendship behind closed doors or not, and whether we ever know anything about that is up to them. their interaction at the grammys was warm and familiar, which at the very least speaks to their feelings of respect and kindness towards one another as artists and people. taylor's support for him was clearly genuine (though you could say that of her support for basically everyone in that room). i think it's really important and meaningful to acknowledge that there are a vast array of dynamics that can be considered a soul connection - not only romantic, but familial, platonic/friendship, artistic, those can all be transcendent and vibrant relationships too. i personally feel there's a soul element and connection within their music that needed to exist as a spark to get them where they are today. (had they not been what they were to each other, what would their careers even look like? what would 1989 be? what would hs1 be? etc) and they were also, in many ways, peers when they were together, and in unique positions of fame at a young age that most other people couldn't understand. their timing was consistently wrong/off, but that connection in their hearts and art still came through clearly. to me, it's part of the invisible string - they had to meet and have that complicated on/off thing and have love for one another to be on the paths where they were supposed to go, in different ways, and to be able to stand in a room together where they're both succeeding and both feeling gratitude for what all of that meant.

i think it's a disservice to joe to...not pay attention to what taylor has explicitly said about him, and why that relationship is so different and profound for her. i've seen a LOT of commentary lately about him being boring and not "getting" their connection, and it strikes me as somewhat unfair because we don't see it, we're not privy to it, and we shouldn't be, that is very much by their design. (she did say romance isn't dead if you keep it just yours!) but because someone like h is sparkly and charismatic and a musician, and joe is somewhat more reserved and less obviously visible and an actor, there's this sense that we "know" him less, which can easily seem less interesting, but keep in mind that how any fan sees him and how taylor herself sees and describes him are totally different. he's home to her, he's that gorgeous dream to her, he's the daylight to her, and that's what matters. he's who she's built her life with and found her peace with for many years now, and vice versa. h hasn't found that yet, but i hope he does. but that doesn't necessarily mean harry has to be nothing to her. whether that's fondness and recognition of their influences on one another and gentle nods to the past, or whether that comes in actual friendship, i think it's really important and valuable to acknowledge that the soul connection can happen and NOT be romantic, or initially be romantic/sexual and then transform into something else later, and it's no less of a cosmic pull. in one way or another, they'll always be connected, even if it remains in lyric and melody - and that's also always going to keep having a life of its own.

idk if y’all know this or not but Taylor Swift’s fourth studio album Red is one of the best albums of all time regardless of what small-minded “critics“ may say it told a beautiful, compelling, heartbreaking, and cohesive story about losing an intense love at a young age and it conveyed every individual feeling associated with heartbreak perfectly from the way the drums and the guitar in state of grace spell out a warning to the way treacherous has you on the edge of your seat with goosebumps to the unparalleled heartbreak the bass drop in ikywt says “this pain i feel isn’t just your fault, it’s my fault too” to the beautiful story that you can see play out in your head in all too well to the determination of keeping a toxic relationship out of your life and feeling good about it in wanegbt to the feeling of looking back on a love and realizing what you had was beautiful in holy ground to the feeling of pure, real, unadulterated sorrow that comes with the finality of ending something that was beautiful in sad beautiful tragic to the hopeful ending of the album when you realize that love can come back into your life when you’re ready to let it in in begin again and then the tragically forgotten bonus tracks the moment i knew that tells the story of the singular moment you realize the person you want the most isn’t coming back to you and come back be here that describes with painful conviction the feeling of being separated from the only person you want to see i mean no offense but if you don’t understand how amazing this album is then you don’t understand what it means to feel

tbh i can see this being the way haylor ended but i think they broke up and didn’t try again because they never found the right timing and always went in circles with no improvement. i think they both gave up because of outer circumstances and they were at their wits end the last time they “tried”/crossed paths again. i think the song “two ghosts” explains pretty much how it ended and how they were both exhausted from trying to make it work and how they didn’t feel like “them” anymore. they both felt the same way but it’s clear that deep down, taylor wished harry fought harder for her, even if she also gave up.

well i have settled on a full story of haylor’s end. like not a “here’s a couple ideas but we’ll never know the full story.” question gave me the whole story

in january after the party, she asked him to try again. for real. because she was in a better place and she wanted to try, she didn’t want to live her life the way she had resigned herself to only having casual hookups.. she wanted to try something real again. And he basically said that he couldn’t. that he was willing to be her “good time guy” (stealing phrasing from private practice). And she was like “I want more than that” and he was like “I can’t,” which is where we get Perfect. He might never be the guy who is there for something real, but he can be the guy who can deal with the camera flashes and the songs for some troubled fun confined to the liminal spaces of hotels. And then she was like “okay well no” and then he didn’t think she would move on………… but she did. and fast, even. and that’s why calvin was so devastating for him. Because he genuinely thought he was calling her bluff. and then there’s this song where she’s like “you know what you little twerp. you healed something in me for half a second and I saw colors I’d never seen before and not seen since. I thought we had something. but when it was too much for me, you let me walk out, and then you never fought even when I wanted to try again so where do you get off getting upset that there was no bluff to call? I hope it feels nice to settle, because you chose this.”

New reading https://youtu.be/4hsmu79cQug?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/4hsmu79cQug?si=vE1WKG6KNaIgF4Pq

Thanks for sharing! This reading on TS and HS from last night is quite long and detailed (and interesting!). Here are the highlights that jumped out to me:

Something is coming to an end for Harry.

Something will bring them to a common playing field.

Someone is telling Harry to consider the relationship, and getting back together, maybe even Taylor herself.

There may be someone trying to steal this love and wish fulfillment from Taylor. Someone is being immature and trying to play games to keep them apart. Could be someone they both know.

Taylor doesn’t want to say too much to anyone else, but wants to spend some time together and see if a reconciliation would work. She wants to try again.

She maybe have felt like she couldn’t make him happy in the past, but his unhappiness wasn’t because of her or her fault. There was some disconnect or misunderstanding between them with this.

In the years since, she may have found herself and her worth.

Harry may have been holding back his true feeling for her, but that is no longer the case because he does want to reconcile as well.

Maybe some abandonment issues here. They may have needed time apart to heal.

She was unclear about where she stood with him, because she wasn’t getting what he was trying to say. She thought it was about her when it wasn’t.

Things didn’t go the way Harry thought they would or how he’d planned.

Both of them want to reveal a truth and they both feel guilty about the way things happened.

He may be changing his mind about someone new and looking back at Taylor.

He feels a lot for her. And he’s open to this reunion.

Third-party interference is the obstacle for this reunion.

They both see that they could do this with each other.

They feel at home with one another.

She’s going to confess that she left him before he could leave her, because she was afraid.

He is watching and using his intuition. She’s getting justice (could be something to do with whoever is trying to interfere).

They’ll run into each other. It will spark something new for them.

Reader predicts this will happen within the next 10 weeks or months, maybe much sooner.

They have a lot to talk about and a lot to communicate and express in order for this to work out; this may have been a challenge before but now they will be more genuine with each other.

If they get back together, and don’t let other people get in their way, they’ll do really well together.

They may do a duet or collaboration that would bring a lot of financial success.

They may end up having a family together.

This is Jackknife Lee talking about making songs with Harry & Taylor. He worked with Taylor on Red & Harry on “Something Great”. Do you think we will get these songs on 1989 Taylor’s version? 🤞

I just keep thinking like, how much Joe helped Taylor become herself and grow as a person - not in the way that like, a man deserves all the credit, but it is so clear that he and their relationship helped her get to a place where she could discuss the topics on folklore / evermore / Midnights, where she could make her political post, hell even the amount of seductive choreo skyrocketed from 1989 to rep and then to Eras because she feels so comfortable with herself, and I don’t doubt that he was a part of that journey. Even if all he did was stand by her, he gave her the confidence to do it all and having that rock really deeply helped her. And like, whatever happened, but it’s clear to me that relationship made her into the best version of herself she could be, and that’s what any wonderful relationship is supposed to do and that is both beautiful and so fucking heartbreaking. And no matter what happened I am so grateful to him to have given those gifts to her.

taylorswift Dod this turn into anything on 1989?

Backstage at the Capital Fm Jingle Bell Ball 8 December in London. (link) Capital Fm article. In the interview before the show the band is asked Cats or Dogs, Harry says love the cats with a proud look to someone off screen.

You can see Taylor on the side during One Thing (0:51). She left before WMYB, Harry was looking for where she went throughout.