hehehe i’m soooo happy feel like i’m IMPROVED AND CRACKING DOWN AT THIS DRAWING FIGURES SHIT! !!! i feel like i’m more consistent with it too and ahhhh that makes me happy. so like i feel like i started to run into this trap of drawing in simplified ways of just drawing all of the body in one go and the problem with this is well. the fact that i get the proportions wrong and it becomes flat, since the simplified way was like. flat drawing of the torso and i thought my problem for a while was trying to get the portions and also kinda realised my drawings were becoming flat. but i didnt want to go back to drawing in ribcage etc since it was like so. much more steps and hahaha i just! terrible! but i did get some enlightment between these moments where i felt like my understandings and shit were getting better.
i also realised drawing circles helped instide the flat simplificiation helped but anyways it was until today i figured way. and its honestly less figured out and more like things clicked into place. recently, ive been wanting to not zoomed into the canvas since i realised that it becomes small that. and i think overall picture from zoomed place will help wih spacial stuff and i have been using more pen like brushes so like i can focus on my line and stuff. anyways i didnt think that today i would be doodling, i did want to but eh it wasnt something i just wanted to do. and since i didnt wanan force it i just let it be… until heheh i got the urge to draw today <333 and so! i got the pen and went to cracking it. picked a art pose ref and got to it: and this session i wanted to take it slow. its something i also realised about me self. like i sometimes go to fast with sketching stuff, that really, its better to just sometiems SLOW THE F DOWN. ahaha.
and also this time, i wanted to better draw in head. then just circle. and after that, its time to block in body: i leave out the next, and since ive drawn in head more properly i didnt feel like using the simplied body thing or whatever i do. and just did like line for the shoulder and from then, tried to block in the pelvis/crotch era with line and i think its where it clicked. this method of constructing body from line portions and sometimes full boxes/squares. so i can get my portions right and i can have more freedom with it all and i think this all worked out before i did diff things across my journey: like when i really wanted to get better at drawing the chest but was having struggle with it all since when i drew torso first, it just wasnt workig so then i tried to draw collarbone and then chest right after. it also helped with not drawing the chest further up then it supposed to be. also when i was having struggle with where the crouch started/where belly botton was and did this kind of instintcive portion thing where i would go to ref and from chest go to naval to crouch and see that for me, i would do it a little more up than it should do. it was the same for knees, so i would do that. and those times where i thought drawing the arms first was helpful, it was and still is sometimes in some poses. and also that one video i watched that while the exact method isnt for me, the way was helpful while trying to understand n draw arm start/deltiod/shoulder. and thise videos that did pose from other view to help better explain really helped today when i was trying to break down this lying pose since ahaha i havent really hacked on those and theyre hard! but wow did i get better understanding from trying to draw in side view. anyways man it just made me feel/realise all those steps i had and stuff and when id go through OMG I FOUND THE WAY TO DRAW THE ART and even those some early poses that looked good and then became bad but it wasnt. it was me jumping from different ways and different levels to GET TO HERE!
the ups and downs, worked out in so many ways….? im so happy….. it feels like /all/ of it is paying off mann… im so happy. like when i honestly did like/felt so easily frustated in the begining and realised well. problem was that was that i was approaching the studies with such realistic(?) kind of way that. dumbing/simpling shit down made me give up less….! and that time with me trying to study more seriously and doing humerous bone study and muscle…. and that i didnt end up continuing but i stilll rememebr what i learned. and i feel like it will help when i get back to studing arm.
like right now, my arm and legs and head study i really need to work on. even neck. lol the way i forget neck a lot ahaha. and also the doing from diff angles, the digure. also i do like as im doing this studies im also trying to get a feel for the gesture and how to make it less stiff. i feel like now, im getting more better understanding of everything and better direction and ahaha def now that i will fall into those downs again and frustation and feeling like its going bad again but at least now, its all be accumalting my better understanding. ahhhhh im so happy right now.
mannnn im getting slight urge to draw but refusing to give in 😤
ahhhh came across other peoples figure practices and im so jealous…. It looks so good….
but at the same time i know that my practice now isn’t like an effective method. if o wanted to get better… i should study forms of ribcage n pelvis and how they interaction in diff poses/angles and the forms of the muscles on them….. but at the same I really can’t be bothered with stuff like that so my skill level makes sense but ahhhhh its gets to me some times fjfjjfkdkdk. I feel like best way to motive me is to just draw character shit and be like fckkkk if I want to draw this I have to be able to learn how to…… but also drawing character shit is takes Effort and I can’t be bothered either right now…. But to give myself credit I did a lot of character drawings (okay it was two recently but i also did a lot of stuff last month!!! so!!!!) im actually doing a lot 😌
and I DID get better!!!!!!!!!! like two months ago…. I couldn’t do shit…. as I can now 😌
just stuff I have to consistently remind myself when I get depressed about this stuff ahahaha
insane. as soon as so woke up… add this dream of art.,.. so obviously I got out my iPad and IMMEDIATELY went to drawing. the bright light of my iPad killed me.
I spent so much time on that face in the last one 😌 I like that time of art moment… just working… looking at refs…. Refining….. 5.39
But…. One thing I’ve been sadly about lately is well…, sIGH…. How I feel like my figures don’t look all that nice…. It’s just kind of disheartening I suppose….. like it’s not bad… at this level… I GUESS…. But I want it to be better…. Ahhhhhh SIGH….. I have to a lot of practice and studies I suppose 😞 but nothing man. I’m getting better at Creating stuff, I think. IDK!!! it’s honestly hard to gauge my progress level. It’s not really a straight line…..
okay all I have to say today was super insane???? wtf…..
—uhhhh so from yesterday, i just thought after a while id continue drawing…….. and you know i looked at my prev art stuff and saw how I’ve been drawing srda… especially her eyes and i just wanted to try that again…. also since i saw I used to draw in that water brush i thought why don’t I try again you know… and yknow. the first srda was…….fine……. but not really a fan ITS ONLY WHEN I TEIED COLOUR!!!! THAT WOW….. IT REALLY GOT<3 I think i did try colour in this brush before but i didn’t intially like it PROPERLY BECAUSE I DIDNT FULLY DO SOMETHJH IN IT!!!! anyways this was the start of something<3 i went ham ahahah. like the second srda wasn’t the best either (man i need to work on my face angles) but MY GOSH the third srda is fave 💞💞💞 (seriously i want to forever draw like her like this!!!!!) (it’s so perfect…..her hair…. expression just. Yes) I also didn’t want to go out of prac with figures so i just drew in a redraw of panel and pleasantly surprised at how she came out….? hehe…. <3 I did realise I see figure small lmaoo…. I wanted her face to be bigger but oh well and of course as soon as as I be drawing her I get the urge to draw the two… srda + chou… I wanted a lil peck idea… and man it was kind of hard to get profile and also wondering how to draw her from side profile and to keep the chubbiness…. but yeshhhhh it was a good prac. speaking of the eyes, i meant like before i used to had in some lower eyelash or whatever and it looked so nice i gotta had to add it back in also lmaooo the side profile one i was drawing (the peck) got a lot skewed since i wasn’t really putting in a lot of effort anyways and lol her eye turned out really big than i wanted it to be…. anyways yeah.
—anyways after that… I wanted to draw more 🦋 and uhhhhhh this one wasn’t really going well… I botched up her face and tried to fix it anyway cuz of that im really meh over also lol I tried to make her arm do diff lol… or smth since I just keep the arms straight in bust shots… I really need to practice bust shots lol… btw heh the blue background was a homage to my old drawings… I always tended to just add a blue background (if you can’t tell, it’s my go to colour for a lot of things) (honestly my fav colour at this point but I wouldn’t really say fav… it’s like a Homebase fav. that n pink/purples I like to really draw in…) (once I discovered drawing in purple I was a goner ahahaha)
—anyways of course I had to see how 🌸 looked in this brush…..! wait… didn’t I do juv first…? man this is why I liked to do a write up on thoughts as I do it but I was lazy… I have terrible memory lmao. anyways right I did do juv to see her and then skkr… idk if I liked the juv so when I tried to compare her to the normal procreate pencil brush I use… I actually liked that better than the pencil brush lmaooooo. also did other juv in diff brushes just to comapeee… and just to draw her lol… I do like her in more textured brushes….
—and then!!!!! 🌸 I had to get her in…. And im really liking it….? the first one was skewed as obvs… im bad at trying to get her hair right lmaooooo…. but then I wanted to do a redraw of manga from gaiden just to see and cuz I wanna get her more right and I do really like it….? def one of the best skkr I’ve drawn….. but hmmm at the same time it’s not really the type of skkr I want to draw I guess… but I’ve been thinking I wanted to draw that type of skkr but I guess I realised I don’t …. anyways these came out well and did make me very happy in realising that i can draw her in a way that I do like…. :’ I guess major thing that helped was the eyes since I looked at prev art that I drew with srda i realised that I didn’t used to draw the eyes in one line go… and makes sense since when I’d try to draw eyes in one ago… it didn’t really look good… also what’s so hard about skkr was her damn pupils… it’s hard to draw pupils as dots without it looking scary after all or super off but I think im getting hang of it now… it helps to have a good brush too…
—I wasn’t going to draw anymore and take a break but I guess I am just on a roll this morning lmao …. the urge to draw is Real… anyways so since I was playing homage to some of my old drawings I THOUGHT I HAD TO DRAW SOME ⏳!!!! since SEEIOUSLY!!!! I drew like a bunch of him in Feb I think.. 2022 let me check.. no it was in 2024!!!! seriously I think it was the most I drew a character in a freakin day… got obessed with his design and needed to draw him and now kinda sad that I got over that…!!!!! but seriously!!!!! drawing him was what made me discover some of my fav brushes ever…..!!!!! and since it’s his bday month i had to draw him in…. i really was liking the diff colour drawing for each character so i wanted to get that in too…
—and hello????? why is that one so good…???? I’m seriously shocked!!! I don’t really like the first one I drew like lol why his face look like that lmaooo but second one….?! since I had especially just scribbled in his clothes…?! I think it’s cuz the face was so fun to draw in… and I made it more intense than the anime screencap I ref’ing… in comparison the third I drew was so disappointing lmaoooo. it didn’t even turn out to look like him… but I do think it looked more like him before I ended up trying to shade in some colour… also this red colour is super fun to colour him in…….
—anyways I decided to colour in that one…. and hey….?! it’s coming to look really nicely….?! what the…?! I tried to add some shading too but intially didn’t like it and remembered from that colouring session like days ago… that this artist used some diff colouring for the shading like teal/green and I went with green to see how it’d work and tried to make sure it was darker than the skin so it’d be shading but I think it’s when I used the multiply layer and lowered the opacity that it went YOOOOO. I’m really liking it!!!! the colours look super fun together…. im not completely satisfied with it… maybe if i darkened the overall picture… hey wait let me try that now… (20.10) yeah………No. even when I changed the blue to be green multiply. nah didn’t work
—-anyways that ⏳ drawing REALLY MOTIVATED ME… To Want to draw a proper piece for him but honestly I had like no ideas and then remembered I could borrowse through stuff to get ideas but I haven’t…. Really…. I don’t think my browsing was the best and it’s still on my mind but oh well. I do hope I draw something since it seems like a waist not to…
—I did get around to doing daily figure pracs….! this session kinda sucked though lmaoooooo. like I didn’t really have a general idea of what I really wanted and it was kinda boring… I worked on shoulders since I figured it’s something I needed to work on and did some hands (which uhhhh I think I need to study back hands properly urgh…..) and I was kinda basically all of the place and lol I attempted doing figure prac in that water brush and uh yeah. Didn’t like. Anyways wasn’t feeling it really after filling this page so I didn’t…. But I do like with some of the arm prac I tried to add on face later and that was kinda fun even if portions was sometimes skewed… since it got to doing poses that I don’t usually do if I start with torso and stuff
—this is making me wanna do an exercise where I draw the hand first….. hmmmm. that would be fun and I do want to get a gist of how things are portioned to each other and work in relation so I can jump around in my drawing and draw things from different places and ahahah anyways this session making me realise how weak I am honestly in just everything in knowledge and stuff and I think it’s best to practice the bones and urgh the leg especially since while I have a gist. a lot of my figure drawings feel like guess work which I don’t is working that much for me
—-after this!!!! I did so much video !!!!! watching!!!! found this good in depth anatomy stuff too… that I just watchedddddd. a lot. and I think honestly I just want to watch a lot of anatomy videos to just see and get more in depth and then more closely study the bones in a general way so I have more awareness of them and then try to apply knowledge in my figure pracs….
—-one thing I have to say it’s a shame!!!! I didn’t draw ssk today!!!!!!!!!!!’ :/ I wanna draw him but also I really can’t be bothered right now………. Hopefully before day ends (now:20.22) I will get to doodle him and get some idea for a ⏳ drawing….. I do have some ideas but it gets in other characters and honestly can’t be bothered trying to learn how to draw his sibs too… for a drawing but I make it make it an idea for me to draw hmmm. anyways yeah. I think I will just go into more videos right now and just. get myself immersed in everything….!!!!!
—ah well I didn’t do anyhhhbg else today but I was getting more immersed in trying to study poses/figures and I think I got an exercise that will help… I really want to learn how to get angles right and the relation of pelvis n ribcage so I think it’s good to study poses and try to get how the pelvis would look like in that angle and help using 3D model of a pelvis that I can move around… cuz I really need to study tilt and shit… want to get more in depth study of knowledge so that all left is the drawing part…. Ah well didn’t explain this well but who cares
jacket/fabric study that i did at the very start of the year turned into a gif bc the material is there already 🙂↕️✌️
trying to actually dissect tension points and movement so i can apply it to jackets from imagination in the future 🥹🥹
I want to draw so badly!!!! But no!!!! forcing my self into this break.
DAY STARTING OFF STRONG….!
—okay I saw some super cute comic from diff fandom and it really got me fired up. I wanted to draw comics of MY otp. 🥺🥺🥺 and I thought going for a more simplistic style would help with my high expectations of likensss that I can’t meet right now 😭😭😭 and so I got to sketching!!!!
—had some kind of idea and it was a very simple one and I just went….to do it. it did seem very ambitious too (with lol a big panel of holding…..hands…….)with the FOCUS but ehhhh just yesterday I was practicing hands I would be fine. they thought<3 lolllll
—I had thoughts of changing the comic to be different but I was like nahhh this is simple let’s stick with it! just go for it! I didn’t want to over complicate stuff or anything
—and so I got to overlarging the sketch and making it big so it can be the size I want it to be… and so I got to drawing over it and that’s when I immediately hit a block….
—the thing was the first rough sketch I did was so much cuter and better…. I feel like when I tried to draw over it….i tried to more capture likeness and then it just didn’t turn out as cute or as good as the rough sketch… so obviously I had to redo that. I did try to fix it at first (seeing the diff:larger eyes extra but ehhhhh it didn’t work) so I just went to redoing it. And ah!!! this attempt was def better!!!!
—also ha………drawing bust shots are Hard……….so I tried to (during first redraw over rough sketch) to also include in bits of torso etc to see how things would look like. I remembered this video I watched that said it’s best to draw things that aren’t in the shot so you can know where things are or smth. my quoting isn’t the best. anyways! it def helped…. also initially wasn’t even gonna include the bit I drew to help imagine the rest so I can draw bust shot… but I ended up including… I think it was good to hand in bits of the arm… also I remembered that they’re were supposed to be holding hands so I had made sure to make the hand their moving to hold hands looked like that
—I don’t even wanna talk about ssk’s hair it was so fcking annoying. clothes…….im so glad that ssk’s clothes is very simple in this era… lol… just a cape…. and I tried to remember to add in wrinkle since hand was moving…. sskkr clothes were simple too…. I’ve gotten used to it while drawing a lot of Srda who wears similar to her mom 💗
—I went straight to lining it… I didn’t even redraw over the hands… was impatient lol and just wanted to get to lining the characters…. and so I went! and did! and lol it’s obvs I started to loose the patience lmaoo. I didn’t take that much care when it came to skkr hair and roughly lined it like I was sketching. I didn’t mind. it looked okay.
—also crazy that I just went into lining the hands like that. my rough sketch of the hands was super rough sketch too lmaooo but somehow…?! it turned out well….?! this is the one im almost surprised at. I thought it’d turn out way worse. I mean yeahhhhh skk’s fingers over hers make no sense but skkr’s turned out better than I’d hope for…..im really proud of them…. so djjdjdjd I just didn’t want to cover up with ugly skk fingers so I made his fingers still continue to not make sense 💗
—finished the line art and honestly at this point…..I wasn’t feeling great about the art………….. which made me feel sad…. anyways I thought to add colour??
—and my GOSH do I need so much practice with color like wtf….picking the right color can be so hard wtf………it was turning out worse and I didn’t likeeee ittt. one bitttt. but I decided to just continue and go to ssk and do his hair and THIS WHERR THINGS CHANGED!!!!!
—like okay I was thinking what color for his hair…..since I did the line art dark purple….black made no sense. I usually just scribble in lines for darkness so I just decided to do the purple line art color for the hair and WHEN I LOWERED THE OPACITY A LITTLE… SO I CAN BETTER SEE THE LINEART SO I CAN COLOUR IN MORE ACCURATELY… TAHTS WHN THE MAGIC BEGANZZZZ
—-I realized I can do this in MONOCOLOUR!!!!!!!!! omg I forgot that so much and by gosh, was I so happy by this discovery!!!!!!!!!’ ahhhhhh I love monocolor so muchhhhh. my fav shit. it turned this into super fun drawing. I had much fun in trying to decide the diff opacities/values of diff stuff and really —when I was doing his cape for the hand…..that’s where the magic really flourished…. ah it made this drawing a very happy one for me… <3333
—it did still a lil empty so here I was just adjusting and trying to figure what to add and how to not make it too much and now looking back this version is totally fine……ahhhhh…..I kinda wish I kept the hearts. I did like how I scribbled it in…..they looked fun….oh well.
—also seriously lol I gotta stop posting stuff as soon as I finish it…. There should be something about looking at stuff with fresh eyes but also man…. I’m just pretty lazy abt that lol.
—RIDING THIS HIGH!!!! I WANTED TO DO ANOTHER SS PIECE!!!! THIS TIME MORE LOOKING LIKE THEN!!!!! I had this pose/idea in mind and just went straight to sketching the idea and very happy with it…. it feels so nice too to just have an idea for pose and get to sketching it and be able to doing it ahhhhhh. also felt very nice when I roughly sketched it in and cleaned it up a lil like the face and stuff… properly adding in some features n stuff. also hmmmm i probs should do something with ssk’s other arm….
—also lmao I really have neglected the feet too much. I need to do something about learning them but also ahhhh I really don’t want to. also did have some struggle with trying to find out if they were sitting or what they were lying on… or kneeling or whatever. floor or actual sofa/chair…. I need to better visualize stuff like that… also I think for me, ss in side view I think im the best in… also man I really need to work on her hair a lot.
—anyways as I was doing this I had started to get a better image of like a story so I kinda wanted to turn this into a comic and while I was drawing the hair that kinda turned into a redraw of face too… I ended up trying to draw the comic bit that I wanted to include and ha………..this where things started to fall apart….. 😭😭😭😭 my problem of deawing ss faces came back to me 😔😔😔
—and ahhh seriously I don’t know what it is. I thought maybe the nose…? So I tried different way but nope. it’s not that. it got me so frustrated n sad I just stopped the wip there. I was already planning to pause anyways since I was getting tired… and plus trying to think of clothes was also too exhausting but sad to have to pause the wip in that moment…
(now looking back at this as I am uploading the images on to here… I think it might be the mouth of her face that’s the problem…..? also lol noticed problems with her side profile face too it looks a bit off but eh well I can always fix that later)
—-ahhhb seriously I need to do ss face sketches…. I looked at the manga to see what it is that im just getting so wrong that feels so frustrated…. and I think maybe the eyes…? is a big one…? and maybe nose???? anyways I just really need to practice!!!! but forgetting that part. today start was very good!!!! im pleasantly surprised!!!!
—I want to go back to the comic sketch that I drafted yesterday…. and also I want to do lots of figure pracs so I don’t go out of practice…. yeah….! and more hand studies… feet I can’t be asked to do. BDJFJKFKD. im just not interested into doing it and don’t care to right now even though I probs should be….. 5.56
6.00 I kinda just wanna do the ss face prac right now but also I really am too tired for more art stuff… Rn…. I just wanna take break….
Weird thing enjoyer found another weird thing to enjoy
Various Frankenstein doodlings. Abt half were from reference half from imagination.
Most of these are related to the Royal Ballet version which I watched a video of the other day. So good and such a wild combination. The elegant medium and the grotesque subject matter.
I also had to draw that amazing puppet version that was made for the Hamburg state opera. lil cutie he is
The big post of things about hands!!! I don’t consider myself qualified to teach art at this point in my life, but I don’t see any harm in sharing observations I have made. In learning to draw hands over the past few months I’ve tried to take a lot of notes, with the end goal of hopefully creating a video tutorial one day. I personally learn better from videos than written or illustrated instructions, but I’ve never found any one video that really demystifies drawing hands. I believe that in order to tackle such a difficult subject it is important to understand what makes it difficult, and this is not often addressed. If you understand the problems you can systematically solve them…
Drawing the hand is almost like drawing a whole person. Similar number of “major masses” and a big range of motion.
Because the hand is so versatile, it’s hard to pick a pose when practicing. Most individual body parts are drawn from different angles, whereas the hand must be drawn from different angles and in different poses.
Hands have a lot of moving parts and from any given angle many of these will be partially or wholly obscured by other parts. Drawing “through the form” results in confusing construction lines that are difficult to interpret.
Hands are expressive and give big clues as to what a character is doing. Odd or unnatural hand poses detract heavily from your overall piece. Most people avoid drawing hands because of this.
The thumb flexes along a different plane than the four fingers and sits on its own deviant metacarpal. Drawing the hand in perspective is hard enough, but adding the thumb in relation to the rest of the hand at a convincing angle? Forget about it!
Hands are typically simplified into box and cylinder forms, but almost every part of the hand is a combination of angles and curves. No one simplified form really describes these parts.
Hands interact with other objects, like all the time. They’re tricky enough to draw on their own… this isn’t helping anyone.
Hands have a lot of bony landmarks, veins, and tendons, all visible at the surface level. These are obstacles when trying to render them realistically.
Hands are asymmetrical from every angle. Every part, every time.
I think that about covers the major issues we face when trying to draw hands. Now here are some observations and facts that you can use to fight back!
The width of the first three fingers (index, middle and ring) is the same as the width of the wrist. The pinky and thumb both emanate from the parts of the palm that overhang this line.
The palm of the hand is more of a pentagon than a rectangle (Thanks, Jim Lee!).
The length of the middle finger is approximately the same as the length and width of the palm.
The length of the phalanxes (finger bones in this case) diminishes in size as they get further from the palm. The second (middle) phalanx is 2/3 the length of the first (proximal), and the third (distal) is 2/3 the length of the second. You don’t really notice this since the first knuckle is “inside” the palm and we tend to think of the fingers as starting at the “finger crotch”.
The thumb has no middle phalanx, only a proximal and a distal one.
The thumb is rotated 90 degrees from the angle of the four fingers. So the fingernails point “up” and the thumbnail points “to the side”. This obviously changes depending on the pose, but the thumbnail never really points “up” with the other fingernails unless it is bent backwards, as in poses when all five fingers are pressed against a flat surface. It never really points “down” unless the hand is clamping or pinching… or operating a sock puppet.
The thumb has to sit lower than the palm so that it can flex underneath the hand. The first knuckle of the thumb is almost as far below the index finger as the pinky is far away from the index finger.
The “webbing” of the thumb connects exactly half way up the palm.
Hands are asymmetrical from every angle. Every part, every time.
That is all the knowledge I have so far, and now you have it too! I don’t think any tutorial, video or otherwise, can ever teach you as much as the thousand observations you will make from drawing a thousand hands. There is no substitute for practice. So practice by looking at your hand from the normal vantage point, and from a mirror. Practice from 3D reference like the Handy Art Tool. Practice by copying other artists and animators whose hands appeal to you. Most of all, practice from imagination. PRACTICE! Below is every reference that I can remember that I’ve personally used while practicing hands:
http://www.handyarttool.com/
http://youtu.be/BAQb-5VKxmg
http://nk-chan.deviantart.com/art/mini-hand-tutorial-68320552
http://kibbitzer.deviantart.com/art/Hands-Reference-321600866
http://kibbitzer.deviantart.com/art/Hands-Reference-2-322546252
http://kibbitzer.deviantart.com/art/Hands-Reference-3-330102275
http://kibbitzer.deviantart.com/art/Hands-reference-4-428109721
http://characterdesignnotes.blogspot.com/2010/09/hand-reference.html
http://characterdesignnotes.blogspot.com/2010/09/hand-reference-part-two.html
http://characterdesignnotes.blogspot.com/2010/11/hand-reference-part-three.html
Do me a favor and share this around, will you? We could all use more light shed on this subject. -Aaron