Can Someone Explain To Me Marinette's Grand Idea Of Letting Felix Keep The Peacock?

Nah, the gross ship is actually Adrienette. Gabenath could solve almost anything. Gabriel & Nathalie literally show more chemistry in 4 seconds every 7th episode than whole Adrienette 5 seasons long so far

The thinking of Thomas Astruc:

"Season 5's gonna be amazing! I can finally get rid of Chloe, destroy the plot and finally kill off Gabriel's whole character. Yes, this is gonna be fun but what to do with Gabenath? Sadly we gave the fans signs, hm let me think, oh I got it. If we make Gabriel say he never trusted her, only used her this entire time and leave Nathalie to die the Gabenath fandom will definitely be shut down once and for all. Yeah, that's what we gonna do. Also let's make Adrien suffer, it's so much fun. Fans will love it. And the finale will be great!"

Here we go again, still learnt nothing?

"It matters if Felix does" - what are you saying? That Felix ACTUALLY ceasing Gabriel from existance matters but it still isn't something villainous? Interesting take. Defending Gabriel over Felix is an interesting take, I simply pointed out how he only threatened him while Felix actually DID what he threatened. Which one is worse then?

"It's not whether Nathalie would kill a kid for no reason. It's about it being drilled into Felix for 14 years that he can't trust his safety to anyone else" - yeah, that sure is enough reason to let him keep the peacock. Cause no one else can use it responsibly? Frankly that's not anyone's problem but his as harsh as it sounds. Kagami could have the same fears, she would have every right to cause she knows she's senti or Adrien once he finds out. But no, cause Felix is afraid he can have it but Kagami couldn't if she had the same fears. That's illogical. Wouldn't it be about him learning to let go off that fear? That's what we call progress. Also Felix ceased whole Paris from existance but who cares lol. And Ladybug and Cat Noir killed many sentis before or don't they suddenly matter anymore? Cause the whole debatte of whether a senti is alive or not only matters when it causes dramatic effect. Didn't Nathalie undergo character development or doesn't that count anymore either? You know, to give people the benefit of the doubt and trust them 😃

"But that doesn't matter if he does better in future" - do you hear yourself or are you deaf to your own words? Do you realize you doubt your own point by saying IF he does better? Comedic gold 😂

How does the saying go "forgive but NEVER forget"? "A reason that Marinette can understand and move forward with" - funny you should mention this cause psychology CONSTANTLY brings this up. It gives a reason to why someone does what they do but it DOESN'T excuse it. Meaning if someone harms another person it explains why they did it but it doesn't excuse it, hence they have to face the consequences of their actions, in more brutal cases prison. When did Felix face the consequences of his actions? Let me remind you my og post was about why Marinette shouldn't let him keep the peacock. Only that nothing more. Isn't her not letting him keep it such a consequence based on him abusing the peacock's power and betraying her trust by stealing the other miraculous to deal them with the villain?

Lol I went deeper into Chloe cause YOU pointed her out. And I'm using facts from the show. From the show's point of view Chloe was too irresponsible with her miraculous so she lost Ladybug's trust along with her miraculous. However Felix did worse than her on multiple occasions but he's getting the "benefit of the doubt" - ironic don't you think? : D

I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this: "in the end" is a popular idiom for reflecting on a point or "when everything is taken into consideration" - in Chloe's case it's pretty obvious she won't get her character arc anymore. One can hope but Astruc won't let it happen, he made that very clear

"It literally doesn't matter if he did it for a selfish reason, he did a good thing" - wow, you really are deep in denial aren't you? A prime example of a "but, but..." excuse. Then Gabriel wasn't in the wrong for trying to bring Emilie back either. It was for a good cause 🤪 you see, in fact it DOES matter cause if Gabriel wasn't a threat, he wouldn't have asked LB to defeat him already. He acts selfishly and is supposed to be in a team of heroes now?

Why? I only brought up Kagami cause she was in on telling Marinette that story and stop Gabriel for a selfish reason. It was the two of them who did it. It might've been Felix' idea but she was okay with it. It's what happened in the ep lol

Not gonna comment of her lucky charms, I did previously

No, it doesn't make sense for her to trust Tomoe. Why even? Again, she literally lets her roam free without facing any consequences of high crimes. Is that what a good hero does? The thing is, Gabriel's initial plan was ALWAYS to bring Emilie back. So in the end he'd either choose to fulfill his original wish or, as he did, heal Nathalie. There was no world domination in his plan. Never was, not even when he went mad.

EXACTLY it's riskier! Which makes a bad hero! As I pointed out before, she now just sits around and risks playing "will he, won't he" which in the end puts everyone at risk - Paris, the heroes, everyone! She didn't bring Tomoe to justice either, as pointed out before. She doesn't fulfill her role as the hero of Paris, as a guardian over the city! "You want Felix punished" - shouldn't it be obvious why? Progress as a person only works if you FACE THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR DAMN ACTIONS which Felix never did. So gonna repeat myself here, one obvious consequence would be not letting him near a miraculous anymore, AT LEAST for the time being if she decided to give him a chance and watch him closely for any missteps. Just saying - Nathalie was ready to turn herself in, meaning face the consequences of her actions, but Ladybug prevented her from doing so. LB literally trusts her fully now, no reason holding her back from giving her the peacock again but apparently Paris needs to be protected by a bunch of teens

Additional point which was technically mentioned already too - what Felix did in "Emotion" is kinda equivalent to Magneto's goals and beliefs and guess what? He's a known VILLAIN in the Marvel universe. Both did/do it for selfish reasons.

Another additional point which interestingly you failed to mention, which I did in my og post: why should he have the peacock if he lives in London while the fights take place and the new villain is located in Paris? See the lack of logic?

Btw found the perfect summary for Felix and his little stans who excuse him, like you do:

"He killed 80 people in two days"

"He's adopted"

This was all fun while it lasted Karen, thank you for the laughs, have a good day : )

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

This is a bunch of bs actually. You completely miss my points. None are any GOOD reasons to let him keep the peacock. Why he did what he did - hating on humans which is basically racist. Cause one hated him so everyone else deserves to suffer. INNOCENT PEOPLE! Yes, that's villain stuff right there

He never was a hero, not even close to an anti hero. Just look at how he treats Adrien! Again, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just so he can mess with Adrien and that's just one thing. He bullied him since they were kids! He never felt remorse for anything he did. His remorse in "Emotion" is that kind of bs for example - the writers trying to make him out to to be some kind of "tragic hero". He never was and never needed to be. He basically only told the story of the twins so he can get a "happily ever after" with Kagami. They're 14! He never cared to defeat Gabriel cause it's the right thing to do. Hell he didn't even try breaking Kagami or Adrien out in London. His romance with Kagami was completely unnecessary too and again, he's only with her cause she's senti - showing his racism once again. What he did on that night in Paris was something a villain would do and frankly not even Gabriel did THAT. And again, he made a deal with THE VILLAIN of Paris just so he himself can play villain.

"A hero would sacrifice you for the world. A villain would sacrifice the world for you"

Chloe actually showed heroism and will to work on herself - then along came the writers. She was the FIRST person to break free from a potential akumatization cause she believed in the hero inside herself and Ladybug. Sabrina suffered under Chloe and was more of a victim. Then she corrected her wrongs in s5 but actually was there for Chloe too as we hear from their memories. They earned their miraculous. Felix did nothing to deserve his. If Chloe was "too far gone" then Felix BY MILES, plus his identity is basically public knowledge too (forgot this in my points)

Just cause he's senti he deserves his miraculous? So why not Adrien or Kagami then if that's "reason enough"? They're senti too. (LB doesn't know Adrien is CN) If it gets into the wrong hands, they can't just make them disappear. They have to know them, know who they want to cease from existance and with MLB that basically will only be important if it comes to Adrien. This basically just gives another plus point to why Nathalie should get the peacock again - cause with her it would be safe. Adrien is basically her son, she won't let anything ever happen to him.

Ladybug can't just get it back when she realizes "nah Felix isn't suitable after all" cause at that point he would've already betrayed her and the team. At that point it'll be too late. So she basically RISKS the team and whole Paris by giving Felix a chance for a whole game of "will he, won't he." Frankly, she isn't a good Guardian anyway, seeing how all season finals go down the pipe due to her incompetence, not even locking her box with at least a password but that's a whole nother story

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

Honestly, were the writers of MLB s5 like high or something!? Wtf did they do!? I'm afraid to ask what they plan with the next seasons lol

Anyway....let's just ignore it and live happily in our own headcanons cause at this point the show just became ridiculously overwhelming

Scared 14 year old? Of what? And that gives him the right to terrorize Paris? "Emotions" calls such bs on everybody and once again shows the writing team's incompetence. So why didn't Chloe deserve the bee miraculous when she actually tried being better? That's right, cause the writing team said so. Obviously this doesn't apply to Felix who literally did all the stuff mentioned above in my points. This is just "excuses, excuses, let's try making him look good when he never once did since his introduction"

They literally just showed her the play so she defeats Monarch so THEY can be happy and safe. Their intention wasn't "Monarch needs to be stopped so Paris and the world is safe" but "we want to be together"

You can't really argue with the lucky charm. She got like 4 or 5 lucky charms in "Werepapas" and she never cared for those and most of those kinda were actually useful when that's NOT how a lucky charm is supposed to work

And her trusting Monarch literally led to her LOSING. He got his Wish. She failed as a hero

Can someone explain to me Marinette's grand idea of letting Felix keep the peacock?

• Stole all the miraculous, handing them over to the villain. If Gabriel was out for world domination he would've played part in helping him reach his goal and thus basically ending the world

• Terrorized whole Paris, making everyone disappear, something not even the main villain of the show did all 5 seasons long. And he did that in 1 day. He was literally singing a happy song and dancing while spreading fear. If that's not something a maniac villain does

• Kidnapped Kagami and thought it was okay. Only likes her cause she's senti - he's basically racist (granted Marinette probably doesn't know this but we do and every other point should be enough for her not to trust him)

• Bullied Adrien since they were kids, which can go as far as putting camembert under his pillow and sending a hate message to his friends just cause he can, thus invading his privacy on his phone. Pretends to be him just cause he can too ofc for selfish reasons

• If all these weren't bad enough, he ASSAULTED Ladybug just to mess with Adrien. Sure he cares for his cousin : D

• Chances are if he betrayed her once, he might betray her again. Will put nothing past him

• Literally lives in London. Should he fly to Paris every time something's happening?

So why not give back the peacock to Nathalie? She's healthy again, on the good side, she's responsible and trustworthy, she read the Grimoire so knows more about any of the miraculous than anyone on the team, she's an ADULT and granted they seriously need one, she already has experience with the peacock and Duusuu likes her, has combat skills and they're more than impressive (slay queen) and she's smart af. Plus SHE'S RIGHT THERE!!!

The thinking of Thomas Astruc:

"Season 5's gonna be amazing! I can finally get rid of Chloe, destroy the plot and finally kill off Gabriel's whole character. Yes, this is gonna be fun but what to do with Gabenath? Sadly we gave the fans signs, hm let me think, oh I got it. If we make Gabriel say he never trusted her, only used her this entire time and leave Nathalie to die the Gabenath fandom will definitely be shut down once and for all. Yeah, that's what we gonna do. Also let's make Adrien suffer, it's so much fun. Fans will love it. And the finale will be great!"

Cause these two are a match made in heaven - literally friendzoned/"just-an-assistant"ed themselves lol

Omg totally! Our gang is NOT done! Gabenath is real, we've literally seen it, s5 isn't real anyway (weird in general and ooc for especially Gabriel and Chloe)

There are fanfic writers more competent than the MLB writers (specifically Astruc)

Now that "Sublimation" is officially out I have a few notes to add (trying not to be too spoilery):

Wish we could've seen how Adrien and Sublime started becoming friends. I don't think we will see this piece of information later on but well, one can hope. Adrien always gets sidelined and now it's him who made a new friend for himself, outside the sidelines. Regardless, they seem to have such a sweet friendship. Yep, still shipping Adrien/Sublime, now even more! Why are they pushing Adrienette so hard when it's toxic af!? So far Sublime and Adrien seem to have a nice connection, the kind of connection which is perfect to build on a relationship (yes, my head's full of ideas and "head"canons). Even Sublime's parents seem they would get along nicely with Gabriel and Nathalie (Gabenath is real - can't convince me otherwise) With character developments Gabriel and Caroline could bond over how their cold demeanour aggravated their relationship with their kids and led to their own downfall too. Nathalie and Severin both have great bonds with their kids already (yes, Adrien is Nathalie's son) so they can either bond over that or trash-talk their partners, both options are good. And ofc both Adrien and Sublime can bond over sooo many things. Both play instruments, both do sports, both seem to have similar childhoods, both raised to be perfect still grew up to be the sweetest, both giving off golden retriever energy, both seemingly being into Greek history (stan them for this)

Ah yes, I'm full of ideas. We could have all this...with competent writers but alas, at least we got fanfiction and our headcanons

Sidenote: did anyone else get the feeling when Adrien explained Marinette's creepy behavior to Sublime (why would you do that Adrien?) her eyes were literally screaming "Adrien, blink twice if you're in danger" cause wtf was Marinette pulling!?

(S5 isn't canon, it's just a bad nightmare)

Is it just me or...cause I already ship Adrien and Sublime more than Adrienette (literally toxic). I know the ep ain't even out yet but somehow (and with the clips I've seen so far) I have the feeling he and Sublime gonna have amazing chemistry and honestly, both have similar backgrounds already (having demanding parents, no friends for long because of parents, both actually being sweethearts though) which can be built on

Just my two cents

(Oh and I really hope she has at least a decent name cause who tf names their kid Sublime? Poor girl was raised to excell since day 1)