okay but also.
i hate the neo world program. i hate the idea of it so much. i hate that their way to save people is to just cut out two-three years of memories, download them into a video game, and then save over those memories once they're better people.
and maybe this is because i come at this from having n2n as one of my favorite musicals where part of let's fix the mentally ill person is by electroshock therapy that WHOOPS caused them to lose their memories and then her husband's like you know what let's not tell her about the thing that we think caused the mental illness and then everything will be good! and great! and wonderful!
and i hate it.
because makoto + co. are making the same assumption nagito does, which is that now that they're remnants they are beyond saving in their current form so we're just going to regress them and cut all of that out of them and give them a reboot so they become the people we want them to be.
and, like, yes, we learn that the remnants agreed to this so they could try to bring junko back in them, which. you know. (is actually really funny when you think about nagito like if we bring junko back, maybe i get to kill her this time and then he's one of the dead people she would be coming back in, like, sorry, nagito, you'd literally become the person you hate the most.)
but makoto + co. didn't know that. they just forced them into these machines and wiped their memories without their consent and just. went from there. and the game suggests this is a good thing. because that's therapy! and dealing with trauma! to forcibly remove years of memory from your life!
it just makes me so uncomfortable. so uncomfortable.
and makoto's oh, i added a fail safe because i knew something would probably go wrong doesn't make it any better because that doesn't address the core issue. i just. i don't understand how people didn't tell them that this was wrong - or that they didn't realize that this was wrong - especially after having their own memories torn from them. (memories that! they had help! recovering! by the way!)
you know what i really would’ve liked to see in dr3?
the remnants facing life-altering consequences for their actions. even though they were brainwashed, they still committed atrocities yet faced no real backlash that affects their life.
sonia being stripped of her rank as princess while her country bans her from her former kingdom. she tries to reason with them initially because she’s so stunned and resorts to her commanding princess self, but no one acknowledges her. they threaten her and almost arrest her, but she escapes. she no longer has a home or a family.
gundam being mistrusted by animals. he tries communing with them, but they refuse them. they lash out, biting him and rejecting him. they remember how he used them for evil.
saionji and ibuki being blacklisted in dancing/musical performances. former fans who felt the agony of their “concerts” recognize them and charge at them, trying to turn them in for their crimes. they no longer can dance or sing without retribution.
koizumi’s pictures being seen as despairing propaganda. her former work means nothing. all that matters to the world are her evil photos. no one will accept her work even when she tries to photograph “hopeful” things.
hanamura’s family has been blacklisted in the food/catering industry. if his siblings are alive, they want nothing to do with hanamura. it’s implied he may have killed his dear mother, so his brother and sister despise hanamura even though they left the family. like sonia, hanamura no longer has a family.
kuzuryuu and pekoyama have no clan left. the kuzuryuus could be dead or they decided to give the leadership to someone else if they came to their senses. they deny help to kuzuryuu and pekoyama, blaming them for their family’s decline. they only have each other.
that’s what i REALLY wanted to see. of course, hope arc is about “hope” and is seem as a “perfect happy ending,” which, considering the “gray” endings for sdr2 and drae, seems pathetic in comparison. these are people who, despite being brainwashed, committed terrible crimes. they shouldn’t be left off the hook so easily even if they endured their own private killing game. they say they will shoulder the burden of despair, but they go off hand-in-hand without consequences for their crimes. they pretend to be remnants, but they don’t face any backlash for what they did to thousands of millions of people.
"Makoto"
If only they knew he had the power.
Inspiration? This post from @makowo and @hibiscuswolverine's reply!
I’m confused,what did Haji do in ultimate despair girls (I only know about Komaru and the warriors of hope from the game)
//A lot of things. This is why I don’t stop at just him admitting to being a pedophile. Literally all the situations in the game time back to him and his father:
They treated Monaca like shit while she was growing up, which lead to her becoming cruel, manipulative, and accepting Junko’s influence in the first place.
They put Monaca in a position as Chief executive of Towa’s Robotics Branch, which is where all the Monokumas came from. Instead of monitoring what she was doing, they let her make them money and just turned a blind eye until it was too late.
They willingly cooperated with Ultimate Despair to both build Monokumas to intensify the Tragedy and manufacture both the air purifiers and the technology needed to fight the Monokumas while making Towa City into a safe haven. All because they were “in too deep” and valued their company’s reputation above all else. During the apocalypse.
When Towa City was suddenly but inevitably betrayed and thousands of people were dying, including his own father, Haiji refused to work with Future Foundation, a group who probably could’ve done a lot to help save lives and smooth things over, because he still thought the company’s reputation was more important than the lives of all those people.
He cowardly sat underground and did nothing for the longest time, something Toko actually called him out on, and would rather blame other people for the problems he and his father caused than take responsibility for them.
He makes an aside that he didn’t think Towa Group taking over the world would be such a bad thing? Yeah, maybe he just meant it as a joke, but I will never give this man the benefit of the doubt, especially not when he knows his family’s company is complicit all this.
When Komaru and Toko finally beat Monaca and got the controller for the Monokumas and Monokuma Kids away from her, even after being told over and over that smashing it would result in all the kids dying and start a war with Future Foundation to kick off a new era of the Tragedy- which Monaca literally stated was her plan- he keeps egging Komaru on to do it out of pure vengeance and spite. And then tried to take the controller from her to do it himself.
To expand on that latter point, he was willing to basically commit genocide on tens of thousands of children on the grounds that “they deserve it” for killing so many adults, even though were all under mind control and thus had no true agency in their actions. Which he knew, but still didn’t give a shit about. All he wanted was revenge.
And in the end, he still hasn’t learned anything and was apparently gearing up the resistance in the city to start a new plan of attack against the kids. Something that DR3 never followed up on, so we don’t know how that turned out, but I’m certain it wouldn’t end well.
//Tl;dr, he’s an abusive, cowardly, self-centered corporate brat who can’t take responsibility for his actions, willingly sacrificed millions if not billions of lives to preserve his company’s reputation as if it would actually mean anything, is fully and knowingly complicit in the emergence of the Tragedy to begin with, almost committed genocide and started a new war because he’s a vengeful idiot, and, oh yeah, the man is also an actual pedophile.
//I do not like Haiji Towa. At all.
(PLEASE KEEP IN NOTE): That this is just my general idea of him, kinda scared to share this cause qjdnnejf I know everyone has different opinions on Makoto so I'm just posting this in my own prespective of him. (It's a little messy cause I am unstable and disorganized when I write this so beware ooo)
Here's the art I made for this
So like, I believe Makoto has issues I think we all established that, and the moment when komaru mentioned of how he changes a lot in UDG (but still hold some same aspects of traits and habits that just makes him.... him) after managed to contact him the first time. It strucks me so bad that it gaves me a migrane /vpos
Like, Makoto earned his new title of the ultimate Hope (with the capital H and everything) just by defeating Junko the ultimate despair? By that point he was seen by the world as the savior and as the first and only hope they have thought lost for YEARS
Makoto's ability to move everyone by just words to which he probably didn't even realised the power he held over it. He's just incredibly passionate and its because his whole body speaks GENUINE emotions, his stubborn willpower and determination undeterred by despair and everything Junko herself has set up for.
It is something not everyone has the luxury to have. His optimism. But that's the thing.
Makoto was the ultimate Hope, only because he was just optimistic in nature. It was the flock of the moment during the last trial, his contagious optimism is what everyone, his friends, the world, preceives as Hope. The enlighting feeling of inspiration by just words of support and motivations for the first time since years after the tragedy started.
But again. Thats the thing. The "Hope" they admire, they clung onto, they worshipped, and they DIE for, was his mere optimistic nature. Just like he said himself "Optimism is all I'm best at".
Its cause well, it's true. (Kinda)
All he was ever good at in his view was just being that. When I rewatched future arc I sense how unBEARABLY useless he is without that title and usual positive nature, and his words don't reach the leaders of future foundation from attempting to kill one another (aside from certain ones, and at the very end ofc, but even then it was too late to prevent the deaths). His words doesnt even managed to reach Ryota from preventing him in using the Hope brainwash video.
It just further shows how.... normal he is
Despite the title, it just shows that he is nothing but a normal guy. He's not some god everyone preceives him to be, he's just some dude that was placed in a wrong time and place.
It's like all the good he is being- well, normal. Like typical "good kid". Somehow it kinda hurts to think about it, like you're obligated to see all positive in lives for it as everyone depends on you for such.
And now the whole world was in the palm of his hands.
I feel like he's scared, despite his strong stand and brave, determined face, he is a normal, ordinary guy that scared to lose what he was ever good and seen by everyone as. Being optimistic and hopeful.
Its like he's not allowed to even be sad for a moment to cry his hearts out. Because the world depends on him, his friends depends on him, he rely on them too much, he cant lose hope cause if he does, the world will fall apart AGAIN, and people will die AGAIN (just like his classmates, just like the people who died for him) he doesnt think he can handle that the second time.
Since that one thing Makoto despises the most is violence. Death to be exact.
He was probably exhausted but he cant yet, he has to keep moving forward, for the world's sake, his friends' sake, his only remaining family; his sister's sake, and for the sake of those who had died so he can carry out their hope that was left behind.
Theres also this quote that remind me of him:
"I'm scared that the moment I look like I'm suffering. Noone will believe me anymore"
Because like. He really cant do things as much without his friends. All he has was his hope; his positivity, determination, and optimistic nature. So he stood tall, facing despair, putting up a strong look just so people of the world, and his friends know, that they all can trust him. To have faith in him.
Because being optimistic is all he's best at.
That hope he has held dearly was destroying him internally. Scary thing is it? Despair isnt what was breaking him. It was the very thing that he was good at. And the very thing everyone thought of when they see him.
Just like junko when you think about it. She- ultimate despair, destroyed herself by the very thing she is (basically executed herself in the last trial) and now makoto was doing the same thing.
"The world's hope", "the strongest who never falters at the face of despair", "the savior", "their guiding light"
How much longer should he keep that up? Before everyone realised that he's nothing but just an ordinary, plain, boring guy?
How much longer should he fall before allowing himself to hit the ground?
A sprout who never truly managed to grow old, it's choose to shelter other by it's leaves, holding still, unmoving.
Yet its roots slowly rotten by parasites and disease, trying to keep the earth together. They can't die now, they're the protector, the hope of it all. <-(quote by one of my friend Ele, which I think is neat in itself, considering Naegi's name means sappling or seedling in general ajdhwjdj)
He may have survived the first killing game that birth his title as the Ultimate Hope,
He may have survived the second killing game in the Neo world program that shows us how devastated it must be for Makoto that Nagito would go that far for the sake of hope, how Makoto's words and hope does not reach the remaining survivor,
He may survived the third killing game in the Future Foundation where it must be devastating that he's unable to understand the victims fully from preventing them to try and kill eachother off ("don't try pretending you understand them, you don't understand them at all" kinda feel), where he watched as Kyoko died for his hope, not telling him THAT she will die, letting him live because not only that he was the closest friend she ever has, but knowing her; she thinks that the world still need the ultimate hope, and because of that, she was ready to accept her fate for it, because she was assured that Makoto is strong enough to move forward even when it's hard, because she has faith in him. Because she believes that Makoto will never give up Hope.
Eventhough he had survive countless scenarios where he could die anytime of those. I feel like eventhough he had survived multiple times.. he had died, multiple times as well, to become who he is now (multiple rebirth symbolism). To the point where he is unrecognizable in his own eyes, the feeling of the old him far out of reach, who is he now?
Things are so simple to him back then, why does things don't make sense to him about himself now?
He may never feel lonely outside, because he believes that his friends will always have his back, he believes that there will always be someone that could give him a hand.
But here, in his own mind, in his own exhaustion, in his own struggle, in his own confusion, he is completely all alone. This one is his alone to go through, his friends has too much on their plate already to handle this, he relied on them too much already.. (in a way, perhaps, he try to rely on others less).
Theres soooo many I wanna say about him but this is the general idea of my view on him, or er, version ig? His accidental savior complex that is.
And don't make me start of his self-sacrificial tendency. /lh
maybe if that united healthcare shooter knocks out 33 more CEOs he'll be up to 34 felonies and he can run for president...
junko exposing the existence of izuru kamukura is so fire like she really did that props to her for exposing human experimentation
all jokes aside people dont understand that junko didnt even do much to cause the tragedy other that move a few key pieces into place
and thats what makes her such a terrifying villain
the system within the danganronpa universe (and arguably our own) places talent above all else— above humanity. personhood itself lies in abilities you either have or you dont
in many ways all junko did was shine a light. it demonstrates how people gain power by profiting off of instability. its actually really easy to see how junko couldve become a hero to so many, to the cast of sdr2, to the warriors of hope, to mukuro
danganronpa isnt about “brainwashing video haahhahaha” its about… SOCIETY… and how institutions profit off of a population thats in the dark, how that lack of transparency can be exploited by someone
it sets a horrifying atmosphere and i think that was the actual intent behind her character when they were writing thh sdr2 and dr 0
I’m definitely gonna make a stance on this, I’m on the side of Skullgirls fans who are angry about the censorship going on in the game.
If people were mad about the boobs and panty shots, maybe they shouldn’t be playing the boobs-and-panty-shots game. Just a thought.
Started out as just "what if Mikan remembering the game means Mikan remembers what she remembered in the game aka she's still Like That when she wakes up?" and then developed into "what if Mikan is offended that everyone denounced Junko....and doesn't think they deserve to have any remnants of her...." thassit just a little idea blurb
I don't want anyone to think I hate Mikan tho she's fun
Recently I bought game pass for pc and finally got to play Psychonauts 2. I’m still very far from the ending, but I’m really liking the game so far. The only bummer is that I feel like every character is either dismissive or completely rude towards the protagonist, which makes me not like very much any of the new characters. So I thought, “Raz surely deserved a better group of friends… What if I draw other psychic characters in Psychonauts style?” It was challenging trying to emulate the game style, I don’t know if I nailed it, but it was a great learning experience.
I’m not sure if you already seen this, but I already made a post detailing how DR3 missed an opportunity to explore Chisa Yukizome spreading her despairing influence all across Future Foundation, and the same with Kyosuke Munakata spreading his hopeful influence across the agency as well.
https://emmanueljmoreno.tumblr.com/post/621579421446537216/yukizome-and-munakata-or-a-missed-opportunity-in
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I did not see this! So thank you for sending it to me. I think you make some excellent points. I also very strongly believe that Yukizome and Munakata had all the elements to be one of the most compelling characters in the danganronpa series, Munakata especially. Like you said, it’s a bit odd that Yukizome wasn’t the main antagonist. Narratively speaking it makes the most sense. We connect with her in the beginning of future where they establish her connection to Munakata and how she also has a similar talent of Hope to Naegi. And in despair she is the one we learn more about and bond with. We see her struggle and her fall and her happiness and her sadness. We don’t get that for Tengan however, which makes us not connect well with him being the mastermind. Although, you could argue that she DOES as you propose, since she tricked Tengan into watching the despair video which led up to the events of dr3 future, but I think it was poorly executed, and that Yukizome should have shown more villaney.
As for Munakata I have always headcanons that he approves of immoral experimentation on individuals with despair in the name of hope. You can find a lot of parallels between HPA and the FF, both of which are incredibly corrupt in the name of “hope”. Munakata should’ve been a grey villian in the sense that we understand he is in the wrong but we also understand why he thinks this way. Such as thinking Naegi is dangerous and a threat. And these sort of experiments could lend to that. At first it started with antidepressants, then brainwashing, then torture. Nothing seems to work. This is why in Munakata’s eyes, who has bared witness to years of this testing, believes the only way to get rid of despair is to kill everyone with it. This lends into his corruption (his form of despair is more so “corrupted hope”, hence his eyes not being swirls). It also explains why he’d be so against Naegi’s own unethical (altho more “peaceful”) experiment on the remnants
There’s quite a lot of room to develop these characters in a compelling way, hence why I think dr3 future SHOULD have been a game and I’ll always be upset that it wasn’t